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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 07:35 AM UTC
Ok, well it's been a long week and I've gotten a bit done.
What do you think - suggestions? I am already planning on doing some more weeds/plants and adding a figure and 'gear'.


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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 08:36 AM UTC
Looking good so far Scotty
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 08:58 AM UTC
That's really cool Scott! Other than the vegatation mentioned above, how much more do you have to do to it?
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 02:59 PM UTC
Scott,

Interesting concept. I love the railroad...is it scratchbuilt ? Very well done.

IMHO it is missing something, but I can't tell what it is.... I've been looking at it over and over again, but I haven't got a clue what it is. Perhaps it is the background that is disturbing my view because the colors are similar to the colors on the diorama.

I'll take another look at it later today and hope that I can figure out what it is.
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 07:24 PM UTC
Well work progressed this morning, I added a bit of weeds and some more ballast.
I added a second coat to the red base.
This is a particularly challenging dio to photograph, its very narrow and tall. The main visual point of interest is very 'centered'. It's almost like a piramid affect. I believe thats what throws the eye off. Not sure if I can do much about it at this point. We'll just have to wait and see....

Danny, the only thing that is not scratch built is the mortar. Its VP's Dictator from thier North/South series. The cart is scratch the rails, ties, bed, base are all scratch too. Quite a challenge because I could only find one photo of the cart
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 07:35 PM UTC
Looking great Scott! cheers
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 07:14 PM UTC
Scott, a number of years ago, I took a look at the 19th Century mortars installed in what were known as 'Bomb - Sloops' one of the things that came through was a major problem with immense downward recoil...

What I am trying to say, is that perhaps the platform should be strengthened a bit... I just think that the platform for these mortars would be an incredibly strong piece of construction - perhaps you should think about the platform? It looks good, very good, but it seems to me to need a little more 'bulk' just my dos centavos...Jim
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 07:34 PM UTC
Good work Scott. People here are talking about something being distracting, for me it is the red color in the base. My eyes are drawn to it so it becomes the center of attention because of the contrast. Maybe a more neutral color there would be better?
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 07:47 PM UTC
Scott,

My couriosity lies in the securing of this mortar to the flat bed. Kind of looks like its just sitting there right now hence my "how much more do you have to do with it?" question. (Unless there is something there that I can't see.)

I would tend to agree with jimbrae about the downward recoil forces... Some serious 'foot stomping' with this puppy I would imagine...

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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 08:33 PM UTC
Thanks for the feedback guys, I really do appreciate it.

This is what had to work with and build from - one picture! And it doesn't really show off the rail car.


The history of this little beast was that it did most of it's primary engagement at Petersburg from a ground position. I honestly don't know if it was ever fired from the rail car?
Jim, I can't argue with you on the sub structure - it doesn't look overly 'beefy'. I'll have to see if I can add some angle brackets maybe - shouldn't be to hard. Up underneith in tight....
Keith as far as connection to the cart, I don't believe there was anything outside the law of gravity, at 17,000 pounds not much is going to move it. I've been to a number of Civil war sights and have never seen mention of any land based mortar being 'connected' to it's firing position.
Druid, I think you may be on to it. Red may be to distracting, I think I'll switch it up and go with a gray blue color.
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:00 PM UTC
Scott, of course! damn thing has been staring me in the face! They never would have fired it from the railcar at all...I was sidetracked with the movie 'The General!!'...There would have been wedges underneath the wheels as well I would imagine or is there a braking system built in?...Jim
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:40 PM UTC
Jim,
I tell ya' I wouldn't want to be on that cart when it fired !!
I don't see any breaks, and based on some research on general rail road cars during the war - I found out that this is definitely a specially built non-standard car.
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:54 PM UTC
It's looks great, keep going!!
Come there also figs on it??

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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:06 PM UTC
Good work! I like every thing about it!

I know that druid thought that the base color may have been distrcting, but if you use a Crimson Red (and maybe you did) it would go along with the US Field Artillery's colors.

Scott
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:11 PM UTC
Nice work, Scott...I really like it!
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:11 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Good work! I like every thing about it!

I know that druid thought that the base color may have been distrcting, but if you use a Crimson Red (and maybe you did) it would go along with the US Field Artillery's colors.

Scott



...or a light blue for the Infantry...
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:15 PM UTC
Thanks all
There is one figure that will be sitting on the cart.

Hey - The colors of the unit that use this are dark blue with a red stripe - I'll put a dark blue bottom with a red stipe at the top....
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:49 PM UTC
Looking good, If I where to suggest something it would be to mix the gravel and the dirt better where it meets.

The border between gravel and dirt looks a bit to sharp.

Wonder how far the recoil would move that cart ?
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - 04:13 AM UTC

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Scott, IMHO it is missing something, but I can't tell what it is....



Love the work completed so far... as for "what is missing"... Love to sre some loading tools, loading tongs, a mortar round or two...

Just an idea,

John
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - 05:00 AM UTC
Neil - you're right on the money, Five rounds, stacked and prepped, loading tongs, pry bars, power barrels, bucket, cleaning swab and the figure

If I get a chance I may update tonight.... It's due in a day or so so you'll see it soon either way.

Thanks
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - 11:01 AM UTC
Is it just me or does the planking in the original picture run parallel to the rail road tracks instead of perpendicular in the last 3/4s of the cart?

At first I saw the planking perpendicular and then was trying to study it to see if there were any scraping marks from "adjusting" the mortar and noticed what looks like to me, the planking running the opposite way.

I like how you did it, at least that would mirror how the rail cars were built back then as well.