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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:25 AM UTC
Hi all!

I decided to make a new post regarding the chance of making a new "Dive! Dive! Dive!" Campaign...

Steve (95Bravo) and others poped this issue, and also Steve (95Bravo) mentioned that it would be a great way of honouring our Friend Garry Beebe if the campaign ends on the aniversay of his departure... that would make the end of the Campaign March 25th 2006.

I have sugested a three month campaign duration - starting on 25th December

Main "problems" with this Campaign: It will overlap with the current running warship campaigns:
- Dreadnoughths from August 1st 2005 to April 1st 2006
- The Beebe's Flattops Campaign January 1st 2006 to July 1st 2006

So, my question is:
Are there any (more) members interested in this campaign, knowing this overlaping "issue" and are willing to be part of it?

Post your comments please

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:34 AM UTC
I would probably be interested, however, I will have no opportunity to build, as I am out of the county between January 1st and mid/end of June.

Cheers,

Harm
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:06 AM UTC
Skipper,
When I suggested that, I was thinking more along the lines of the following year. I think that way it would not run afoul with the other campaigns that Garry had a part in. Plus, it would give all the chance to participate.

What think Ye?

Steve
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:18 AM UTC
An additional comment.

The main reason I suggest DDD2 for the following year is because of the other two Warships campaigns. I worry that since both will be labor intensive that we will not have the participation. I'm thinking of this only in the aspect that the Warships participation is fragile and tripling up on campaigns could really kill the participation.

On the other hand, I would support what is decided by others here. I just hate to think we would scare off potential builders who are enlisted into the other two.

Either way, I would do it...you know me, it's not a day with Steve unless I have ten irons in the fire......

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:24 AM UTC
I am absoulutely interested in another DDD campaign, as I mentioned.

I will be doing the 1/350 Missouri for the Dreadnaught campaign, and I KNOW that's going to take some time. I've got PE sets for my PE sets, if you get my meaning! I know it won't take me as long as my Enterprise did, but I also know how I work and I'm probably going to need all of the time from August to April to finish, although I may surprise myself.

That said, I also know that having done one LA Class, the learning curve has been handled (provide I don't have a bout of CRS--------you younger types just wait!!), so I don't expect the second build to take a lot of time.

I know that many of the people who enjoy shipbuilding will also be in the "Flat top" Campaign, although I won't be, mainly because I'm just not going to over commit.

I am confident that I could squeeze a second LA Class in the time frame being suggested, but that's also because I know I WON'T also be doing a carrier, and others might be.

I say suggest it and see who signs up. You're going to have some people who wouldn't be building the surface ships in any event, and others who won't have any trouble knocking out great kits for all three campaigns.

Tom
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 06:52 AM UTC

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(provide I don't have a bout of CRS--------you younger types just wait!!)



I seem to suffer that on an all too frequent basis these days....and I'm only 41...D'oh!

Now what was I going to say????
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 12:51 PM UTC
Well count me in for DDD2 as well. I am also building in Dreadnaughts and Flattops. I may have to scale back on Flattops. I'm Going thru the whole Divorce/Sell the home thing so I have no idea where I will be when. Count me in on DDD2 though. I will build something even a 1/700th scale just to campaign with you great guys again!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:25 PM UTC

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I'm Going thru the whole Divorce/Sell the home thing so I have no idea where I will be when. Count me in on DDD2 though.



What?


Dang Scott, sure sorry to hear that.

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:36 PM UTC
Thanks Steven. It has been a struggle but, life happens. The worst part in packing up a life and moving on. Its time for both of us. Now I just have to start over again. I have my health and my family so thats the important part.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 10:22 PM UTC


To Scott (Tiger101)
Health, Family and Friends were the things that held my marbles when I passed through the same thing back in '98
But the good point is that if that wouldn't had happen I would not be in the position I am today: Happy!
So, my point is: some bad things may come with a porpuse and you will be much better soon (perhaps not that soon, but that's why Health, Family and Friends are so important!)

End of

To Steve (95Bravo) and the rest of the guys:
Time table issue: I think this is the only possible way to make the campaign ending on Garry's passing day...

I think it is "doable" (pardon the word!) if we put ourselves to it - I don't, and wont, plan to build four models again!!!!
As Steve said, I don't want to ruin the other two campaigns over this one....

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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 02:52 AM UTC

Quoted Text

To Steve (95Bravo) and the rest of the guys:
Time table issue: I think this is the only possible way to make the campaign ending on Garry's passing day...

I think it is "doable" (pardon the word!) if we put ourselves to it - I don't, and wont, plan to build four models again!!!!
As Steve said, I don't want to ruin the other two campaigns over this one....
Skipper



Ok, so I have this clear in my mind...we'll proceed with DDD2 this December?

I have the 1/144th Type XXI or perhaps I'll pick up a Skipjack for this one.


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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 02:55 AM UTC
Shipmates,

To alleviate an overlap as much as possible, why not "Kick Off" the DDD2 Build on the 25th. After all I think Gary would want us to keep building. I feel we should start something on the day Gary left us as a "perpetual memorial", whaddaya think?

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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:09 AM UTC
Lauren,

So you're proposing a perpetual campaign? It has a lot of merit..you're right, I think Garry would like it. This would help with the overlap issue. If we did launch it on the 25th then those of us, like me who are slow builders needn't worry as much about the battlewagons and carriers in addition to the subs.

Like I said before, I'll go along with whatever is decided by the rest of the crew.

Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:10 AM UTC
Hi Lauren

Yep, that's also a good possibilitie - kind of "reversing" the dates!
If we'll go for a three month campaign (opinion needed here), it will catch the end of Dreadnoughts, but since it's a long Campaign, maybe there's no trouble (?), but...
it will be completely overlaping Flattops!!!

So a longer Campaign?

Since this is "only" a friendly discussion, I still would like to know more opinions

And Chief, welcome back!!

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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:24 AM UTC
I have a question, is there a guidline as to how long any given campaign can run? If not, why not run DDD2 for a full year? Start on Garry's Anniversary and end it on his Anniversary?

This way slow pokes like me can finish all three and we could even pick up others as the year goes and other campaigns end...????????

Plus the guys like CoB, Chief, and others who are on active duty and were unable to finish the last (I'm thinking of CoB here.) time will have an extended time table in which to work in case of deployment.

Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:37 AM UTC
There's no Campaign Guideline for it's duration, specially because there are so different kinds of possible campaigns...

The duration is decided by the Campaign Leader and then the enlisted members follow the previously made schedule!

Steve, thinking of CoB, Chief and other enlisted was great and for me a full year "DDD2 Campaign" would solve the problem!!

So, as a summary and for everybody interested:
"Dive! Dive! Dive! 2" Campaign
Scale: Any
Start Date: March 25th 2006*
End Date: March 25th 2007*

* Garry Beebe's passing away aniversary

To all the enlisted to DDD, no big news about this campaign, for all the newbies (no harm intended!!) the purpose of this Campaign is to build at least one submarine, any scale, any era, real or fiction, to share knowledge and most important of all, follow the Garry Beebe rule: Have Fun!!

Comments?

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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:42 AM UTC
Well I like the idea but there have been several discussions about campaign lenghts already. Isn't this too long?

Oh and euh, don't need to ask me, you already know the anwser
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:58 AM UTC
In regards to length of DDD2, I think we could view this as extenuating circumstances. If we were to make DDD2 and only DDD2 a year long campaign , it would make it so the maximum builders could participate including those who were unable to finish last time and most of all, it would bring it all in full circle in regards to Garry.

Then if there were a DDD3 ...it could be a normal length campaign.

We could call it...ummm..Suber Bowl I..... (jk)

My two cents worth.
Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 08:03 AM UTC
Hey a DDD 2 campaign!!!!!

Sounds great to me , count me in.
those Kilo's and manned torpedoes just looked awesome, so now I want some too.


A year long campaign sounds a bit very long for me, I'm affraid some people will lose interest because that deadline just never seems to get any closer, and topic will slowly fade away.

On the other hand, I like the choice of the dates as a memorial to Garry.

To spicen things up a bit, I have a small suggestion concerning showing your finished models.

I just read a book about a Dutch submariner in world war 2. When these guys came back from a mission, they all wore white sweaters, as a sign they have succesfully returned from combat. Why not encourage the guys who completed DDD 1 and now DDD2 to show a pic of themselves holding their models, wearing a white sweater or an oiljack or whatever you think a submariner would have worn after yet another succesfull and safe return to harbour? Could be fun to also see the faces behind the callsigns, especially all dressed up (do I hear anybody singing YMCA there??? :-) :-) :-)

That would make a great ARmorama wall of fame of submariners who completed one or both missions so far!!
(and guys, don't forget submariners did'nt shave for the whole length of the mission!! (and this mission will just about take a year...... . that'll surely be a nice sight!!! :-) :-)
let me know what you think
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 09:11 AM UTC
I don't know about the no shaving part :-) . I'll admit to enjoying a few days away from the razor, but man after that, I just gotta shave. I know it's a holdover from all those years wearing the uniform (even as a Reservist), but I can't STAND to go more than 4 weeks between getting a haircut!!

But back to the topic at hand. I'm in for DDD2 regardless of start date/end date/duration. I'm going to build the other LA Class so for me it's just a matter of when. To the extent it doesn't interfere with the Dreadnaught campaign, that's great.

There is a certain appropriateness to a perpetual campaign. Submariners will tell you that all those boats from WW II are "still on patrol". Garry would appreciate that.

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 10:07 AM UTC

Quoted Text

To spicen things up a bit, I have a small suggestion concerning showing your finished models.

I just read a book about a Dutch submariner in world war 2. When these guys came back from a mission, they all wore white sweaters, as a sign they have succesfully returned from combat. Why not encourage the guys who completed DDD 1 and now DDD2 to show a pic of themselves holding their models, wearing a white sweater or an oiljack or whatever you think a submariner would have worn after yet another succesfull and safe return to harbour? Could be fun to also see the faces behind the callsigns, especially all dressed up (do I hear anybody singing YMCA there??? :-) :-) :-)



Oh my god! Bjorn! That is the coolest idea yet! Oh man that would be something to see. I could do the beard thing too. Although, I would need to trim it, If it became too long it would drive me nuts...

LOL Garry has got to be up there right now loving every nano-second of this....
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 11:21 PM UTC
Hi Björn

Here's the first one:


That's a very cool idea!!!
Regarding the lenght of the Campaign I can be (as some of you already know) a very "bad" project manager:
How is your sub going?
Is it ready yet?
Are you having any problem? Why? Why didn't you tell me before?
Are you running late? and this kind of things :-)

If I am not driven away of Armorama, for work issues (sorry but this must really came first!!) I can manage things - so a long campaign doesn't scare me
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 05:15 AM UTC
As you now can all see, we Dutch are a source of inspiration for the whole wide world.....even when it comes to DDD2

Rui, I think you'd be a good campaign leader for DDD2.......my warship master

:-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 08:54 AM UTC

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Rui, I think you'd be a good campaign leader for DDD2.......my warship master

:-) :-) :-)



Thanks for the trust Martin, but that is still to be decided!!

Skipper